News US & The Americas Business Leadership Law firms Simmons and Mayer Brown merger talks: round two By The Lawyer 20 June 2010 00:00 17 December 2015 16:15 Sign in or register to continue reading. It's FREE Sign in Email Password Keep me logged in Forgot your password? Not registered? It's FREE! Register now Register with The Lawyer Anonymous 21 June 2010 at 10:34 The office networks of the two firms fit together almost perfectly. This merger would at a stroke deliver Mayer Brown a credible platform in Europe and the Middle East, and Simmons a credible platform in the U.S. It would also give the combined firm the resources to compete with larger competitors like Hogan Lovells. Simmons is currently in a very awkward position, much bigger than niche firms like Macfarlanes but far smaller than the biggest international firms. It needs a merger. Reply Link Anonymous 21 June 2010 at 12:49 The above comment sounds somewhat spin-like. This is not about geography. There are major differences in revenue and PEP that could translate through into U.S.-focused power and influence. Persuading Chicago that the deal is more than simply one of getting a bigger London office and that nothing else will change will be a major task. For this to work the numbers, the practice areas, client conflicts, the culture, voting structures, partnership compensation and management structures will need to align. Still a very long way to go. Reply Link Anonymous 21 June 2010 at 14:35 Anonymous | 21-Jun-2010 12:49 pm – what you describe as differences are the sort of issues Lovells and Hogan faced and yet they decided to go ahead – a properly structured Simmons MB merger would be a good thing. Reply Link Merging With A US Firm Can Be A Good Thing 21 June 2010 at 15:40 I’m always amused reading the comments about UK-US mergers. It was the same with Lovells and Denton WS. There is always a retreat into parochialism from the UK end. It’s as if UK lawyers and the UK legal commentariat are unaware of the US market, and seem to be judging these US merger partners soley on the basis of their small London offices – which admittedly are often a bit rag-tag, but hardly reflect the size and power of these firms in the United States. Do any of these people read the US legal press, do they do business in the U.S, do they work with U.S law firms? I suspect not. Or do they get all their news from the union jack-waving UK legal weeklies? Do they believe that London firms are indeed the best in the world? What is interesting is that in all these three mergers, a stronger US firm with a better brand and financials (Hogan, Sonnenschein, Mayer) has merged with a weaker UK counterpart, yet all the comments seem aghast that the British would contemplate such a tie-up. The U.S is still by far the world’s largest economy, it’s legal market is over 50% of the global market, and there are many firms in the AmLaw 100 who are larger and better than all but the best MC firms, yet, because they are based in Atlanta or Miami or Philadelphia or Cleveland, they will barley be known to most myopic City partners – who have only heard of a handful of Wall St names. That doesn’t mean they’re not good firms. Mayer a good example. Sure, they have had problems in London but they are a powerhouse in the U.S, and increasingly in Asia. For the record, I’m British and not tied to any of these firms, but the jingoism from those that think the world ends at London Bridge is laughable. I’m amazed that more half-arsed UK firms aren’t on the phone to the States. Reply Link Anonymous 21 June 2010 at 17:09 I’m amazed that a US firm would want to merge with an outfit like Simmons. It is common knowledge that the firm has a number of serious issues and there are suggestions that the numbers are not good for the past year. Its strategy has largely failed – I mean can anyone tell me on this board what Simmons stands for? To my mind it is simply large and substandard made up of magic circle rejects. I can see exactly why management at Simmons would want this merger but clearly a number of partners there would be like turkeys voting for Christmas if they approved it. I wonder though if they are even able to be that self perceptive? Reply Link David Ufuoma Omamogho 21 June 2010 at 17:51 The key ingredient of any merger is UNITY OF PURPOSE AND VISION AND OVERALL ADVANCEMENT OF THE OBJECTS OF THE MERGER. Two Heads are usually better than one and unity of purpose and mind generate exponential growth. Reply Link Anonymous 21 June 2010 at 23:47 Mayer Browns London office, and frankly most of its U.S operation, is in a dire state. I do not believe for one moment that an innovative and well respect firm, (Simmons not MB) would jeapordize such a cohesive entity merely to add bulk to its business model, this proposed merger, if true, does not make any economic sense. Simmons would loose control over its business and inherit a disunified group of offices with many deep rooted issues that more commonly go by the name Mayer Brown. MB would infect Simmons from within and soon find themselves losing longstanding clients and lawyers. Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 07:35 There’s more to this than just London. Both firms would be substantially strengthened in France and Germany, MB acquires it’s own presences in Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal and UAE. Those offices will all benefit from the MB strength in US, Brazil and Asia. MB would have 60% of it’s lawyers outside the US which will hardly be US centric. MB is an extremely strong Finance, Telecoms and Litigation firm – combined strengths in London for the two firms. Global clients want global strength and relationships, this looks like a smart deal. Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 09:36 Simmons would have to be insane. They are a decent firm, with some good practices, but need to resolve their lack of corporate weight. A merger with Mayer Brown would not do anything to resolve that problem and would bring plenty of new problems of its own. By the way, Sonnenscheins partners are describing the “merger” as an alliance only with no profit sharing and no real merger of management. Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 12:12 Mayer Brown is anything but a “power house” in the US. It had a great litigation practice, but that is in reverse with most of its stars having left. There’s not much else after that. No finance, no M&A of any substance, just a collection of sole practitioners doing their own thing and sharing expenses (like a very costly London merger and even more costly Asia merger). It may be a good tie up, but S&S would be mad to do it for the US side of things. Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 12:16 Simmons needs to ask itself, how many of the MB partners would it recruit. Answer: very few because they are not in the same league- intellectually, or in terms of client getting skills. The good ones have gone- because they can. So why merge with them? Come on Simmons-you can do much better. Reply Link UNITY OF PORPOISE 22 June 2010 at 13:51 I think everyone on this board is completely missing the point: David Ufuoma Omamogho@5.51PM is what Mayer Brown and Simmons needs to make this work. He has a clear sense of direction and would make a great chief executive of the combined firm. Reply Link I've Heard It All Now... 22 June 2010 at 15:10 I’ve heard it all now… Mayer Brown partners are not in the same league intellectually as Simmons parrtners… I have nothing against Simmons – they are a decent enough firm – but they are not exactly world beaters…and arguably Mayer Brown is a stronger brand in the legal sector This Little England attitude to US mergers is thinly veiled xenophobia..we don’t want Uncle Sam telling us what to do and knocking us into shape It was the same a few years ago when Richard Butler was acquired by Reed Smith – who are they, you can do better, not exactly Sullivan are they..etc.. Well, I don’t think the likes of Sullivan and Cravath are going to be interested so the next tier down in the U.S market – which is still very good – is the reality for all but the very best UK firms The point Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 16:04 To “I’ve Heard it All Now”: So, are you suggesting that Reed Smith’s Richards Butler takeover was a great success? Reply Link Anonymous 22 June 2010 at 17:25 Paul Maher is what this firm would need! Reply Link Puff 22 June 2010 at 17:51 There are a couple of very good reasons why the merger will appeal to most S&S partners. Firstly, MB’s PEP is about £200,000 higher than PEP at S&S (which has lagged its peers in this regard for years – anyone remember 3 or 4 years ago when it was sub-£300k?). Secondly, with the sheer scale of MB will allow greater investment in some of the overseas locations where S&S is underweight. S&S simply don’t have the critical mass to recruit the right people and compete at the level they want to compete at – MB’s money will change that to an extent. Of course, neither of these things addresses the desperate need for some corporate big-hitters in the S&S London office, and I’m not suggesting that a merged firm will suddenly have the quality to worry the top tier firms. Reply Link Anonymous 23 June 2010 at 11:15 I’d be amazed if MB’s London PEP is anything like the figures quoted. That is what will be making S&S nervous. Reply Link Anonymous 23 June 2010 at 13:34 Looking at this the wrong way round on the PEP front. Why should MB tolerate a dilution in its PEP through merging with Simmons (assuming they merge and don’t do some sort of DLA-style transatlantic divide). And if Simmons partners are contemplating some sort of PEP uplift then to achieve that there will need to be some sort of price paid – probably in the form of fewer former Simmons partners somewhere down the line. The money doesn’t magically appear…… Reply Link Anonymous 23 June 2010 at 14:21 There simply are not enough Simmons partners with a book of business big enough to generate the revenue required to produce the level of PEP of MB. If the merger goes ahead the Simmons partners will suddenly find their targets increased substantially and the removal mechanism (which currently in Simmons has the result of making it hard to remove non-performers) will be changed. Inevitably there will be a large number of partners not up to the job and out of a job. There simply is nothing special about Simmons. They are Volvo lite. Reply Link Anonymous 23 June 2010 at 20:16 One Simmons partner said: “I don’t think that Mayer Brown’s London office is very impressive, but it’s very exciting that we are talking to a large international firm. We could do with a US presence and a boost in Asia. It could possibly be a good move. “The only two concerns are what we would do with their London office and that you are not in the driving seat when you’re merging with a much larger firm.” Simmons’ partners are clearly very sharp. Reply Link Anonymous 24 June 2010 at 11:57 A reverse takeover of the London MB office by S&S, would be best for MB. Reply Link Anonymous 24 June 2010 at 12:45 Simmons’ partners are clearly very sharp. Sounds like a perfectly executed bit of spin, perhaps said partner should be playing at Wimbledon! Reply Link Name Email Cancel reply Threaded commenting powered by interconnect/it code.