Wragge & Co launches redundancy consultation with 30 at risk

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  • 'This isn’t a reaction to poor trading but quite the reverse. It’s driven by a desire to bring 21st century working practices into our business.'

    So we should expect an announcement when your accounts are published that you increased turnover? No, I didn't think so.

    The fact is that you have not done your homework, if you dug a little deeper into what you are planning and ignored the 'sales talk' you would of seen that bringing in Intelligent Office can only lead to problems for your company, and there are numerous examples.

    Maybe if the fee earners spent more time doing what they were paid to do this drastic attempt at a solution would not have been necessary in areas where your firm 'was' seen as quite a good respectable company.

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  • It is only a matter of time befor IO talk you into moving all levels of support over to them, doomed to failure.

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  • Just an idea but maybe you should have picked the phone up and spoken to Andrew Manning at Bevan Brittan.

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  • My understanding from what I've heard is that the board are expecting the fee earners to do more of the admin by making the ratio of PA's to FE's even greater than they are. I say from what 'I've heard' because we still haven't been told the details.

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  • Hopefully we will still have time for Friday drinks.

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  • Can I just say as a client of Wragge & Co I am appalled by that last comment

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  • at a time like this, with so much uncertainty any negative thoughts, comments and opinions do not help the support staff at Wragge & Co. I for one think that the process has so far been dealt with the best it can be, of course it is going to be a tough time for all the support staff, but rest assured there has been constant reassurance that they are doing their best for their staff. Yes out sourcing has ended badly in the past for certain firms, but it has also ended well. The suggestions for what they can provide have so far been good to hear.

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  • @Client, there is every prospect that @ConcernedFeeEarner (who is obviously charming as well as fabulously witty) either is nothing to do with Wragge & Co or is in a minority of one. I have been instructed by Wragge & Co on occasion and I do not recognise that sort of sentiment amongst their fee-earners. ps I accept that you may not be a client!

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  • "Maybe if the fee earners spent more time doing what they were paid to do this drastic attempt at a solution would not have been necessary" - what a moronic statement.

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  • I challenge anyone to cite where outsourcing has worked well for a firm. The recent spate of Integreon dumping is just indicative of firms waking-up. Outsourcing only increases costs by reducing headcount. The move to IO shows that the firm doesn't give a toss about its staff and that it doesn't even understand what they do! Good luck with that one.

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  • These are tough economic times; so we are constantly reminded.

    Our thoughts should be with those who are having to endure this process, may it be handled as sympathetically as is possible to do so.

    To " the Client" perhaps a little bit more sympathy? A little light-heartedness? What is the harm in looking forward to a Friday drink? I assume the person in question intends to have this after their working day - why so appalled?

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  • Very sad for friends at Wragges. IO has to be one of the worst mistakes a number of firms have made. They are inefficient and create more work for the Fee Earners and PAs who are left ...... Big big mistake.

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  • I'm assuming 'the Client' is so appalled because at such a sensitive time for all concerned with this process, you have a member of staff who is seen as their peer and not affected making a statement for all to view that really should have been kept to themselves.

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  • The problem is Anonymous @9-May-2013 0:09 am, what this particular individual is refering to does not occur AFTER their working day!

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  • Is Wragges the new Eversheds? It only needs to move secretaries to South Africa and its finance function to India to have a full house.

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  • @Concerned Fee Earner (8-May-2013 3:25 pm) what a lovely 'One Team' attitude

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  • @Anonymous 8 May 7:52 pm - Given the comment by one of Wragge & Co's fee earners re Friday drinks with confirmation that this is in work time, topping that off with the fact that you have failed to reach your targets this year. This process is without doubt a knock on effect and therefore I fail to see why the original posters comment with regards to fee earners is moronic.

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  • This makes perfect sense, a contract with IO will allow the firm to flex it's support cost if it's income takes a hit, thus reducing its operational gearing ratio and reducing financial risk.

    We use IO and they are awesome, if some have a bad experience then that may be due to location, getting decent support level staff is easier in the provinces where wages for that level of salary are considerably easier to live off.

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  • Another company that has sold out to the sales talk, and yet another company that will learn that going through this process does not boost their bank balance. What is clear by so many other examples is that the FE's will have more work to do sorting out admin problems distracting them from Client care. I feel for the PA's that are left after the redundancies they will have increased ratios and they will be asked to continue to work as they are now even though parts of their work should be filtered down. We all know how hard it is to get FE's to change the way they work. As the earlier poster states, if anyone can cite an example where this works for a company of Wragge's size I'd be surprised.

    From my experience, IO have got their foot in the door by giving the initial consultation, I doubt whether anyone who provided them with the information on their day to day work got to see any of the results as they are massaged to look favourably on how IO can improve roles, then 6 months after the initial TUPE an announcement will take place that all support roles will be moved over.

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  • 'Across the firm there are 258 people working in a variety of support roles within eight support teams. Our single team approach means we understand the critical role these people play and they are recognised and rewarded accordingly.'
    Indeed.....

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