Universities flee GDL market as students stay away

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  • When prospective students see the failure rate this year on the BPTC courses, they will be even more disinclined to take on huge debts to become lawyers, and even more GDL courses will fold, as a consequence.

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  • Finally it seems that through word of mouth, students have finally heard the alarm bells that should be ringing when thinking about the GDL.

    I completed the GDL this year and the legal job market is a nightmare...too many people and just too few jobs around.

    Although the law schools will tell you it is at your discretion whether or not you attend the course it SHOULD be made clear that for many the chances of a career in law are slim.

    This should be raised BEFORE students pay excessive amounts of money (which many including myself have had to borrow) to fund a career which may, through no particular fault of our own may never happen.

    Before choosing to take the course (if you cannot fund it yourself) i recommend you seriously consider your chances of securing a TC.

    know this sounds like a rant but I want to make sure that for people in the current position of thinking about the GDL please dont take the decision lightly as it is a big and volitile investment to make.

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  • To the above comment at 15-Jul-2011 2:34 am

    You say "through no particular fault of our own may never happen." It is entirely your fault. You should have done the research before starting the GDL. It's been a waste of time for many years.

    You say "This should be raised BEFORE students pay excessive amounts of money (which many including myself have had to borrow) to fund a career." Why should it be raised? You are an adult and you should take full responsibility for your own decisions.


    You say "students have finally heard the alarm bells that should be ringing when thinking about the GDL." I'm sorry but there will always be a huge supply of students. They are encouraged by the Government, Universities and the media. No one can counter that.

    You only have to look at the United States to see how bad it will get.

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  • It is not that there are too few training contracts and too many students. There are too many BAD students that have flooded a profession where they think they can acquire easy money and kudos.

    I have just finished the LPC where I got a Distinction. I was best in year for my GDL. I borrowed all the money myself and was determined to squeeze every penny's worth from the courses - worked VERY hard for my double Distinctions. I never took a standard first degree and do not have A-levels.

    Half my GDL course were witless and useless, I wouldn't hire them to sweep a floor. Yes, wasting their (or more likely their parents') money.

    Ditto the LPC - to fail a subject (i.e under 50%) you are either a moron or you don't put in any work - yet surprisingly large number fail or get rubbish marks... then they moan about not getting a job!!? Law used to be like medicine - demanding excellence!! And so it still should be... all the moaners shouldn't be studying it in the first place, they should be doing much less demanding clerical stuff.

    I have just secured a job, paralegal in a niche Com Lit firm with a credible promise of a TC within a couple of months after a trial period...

    All this rubbish about no jobs. Yes, there may be a bad-ish jobs market but the real problem - the flooding of the market with mediocre candidates - has skewed the true picture... if you really deserve to practice law you will work hard and gain the results which will get you employed - end of.

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  • To 19-Jul-2011 8:44 am

    Plenty of great students with no jobs though.

    I know students with first class degrees and distinctions and yet no job except low paid paralegal jobs.

    Though you may think you have done well to get a paralegal job which might lead to a training contract, I would beg to differ.

    With the grades you have, taking a paralegal job is surely a sign of far too many candidates good and bad.

    Even if you do get a training contract you may still be thrown to the dogs after completion because there is an abundance of lawyers.

    Grades are largely irrelevant now it's all down to market forces

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  • Yes. Anyone thinking of studying law now needs their head looking at.

    It's just a crazy waste of money, even if you are capable of top grades. Extraordinary. First class degree and double distinction students working for 15k paralegal jobs. And no guarantee of ever becoming a Solicitor, never mind Barrister... Madness.

    If you became a teacher you'd be on 30k after a short while. Law is saturated, absolutely saturated.

    GDL and LPC staff are going to be redundant in their droves as the market adjusts.

    The message is clear - don't go into Law unless daddy can pull some strings for you.

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  • With regards to the above comment

    I agree with 90% of what you have said.

    Your last line though is slightly incorrect. Grades DO matter however who you know now seems to be the key factor!

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  • I have read all your comments and despite all this I still believe in doing a GDL this coming September.

    I mean if I don't think I will succeed or do well I wouldn't embark on this career as it is a lot of money. If you can't, don't have the skills or the ability to succeed in law then why try? There is a risk of several thousand pounds?

    Whoever embarks on a GDL should know this, especially with regards to TC and PUPILLAGE. I got advised and told how competitive it is for TC/PUPILLAGE and got advise on how to make myself more appealing to gain a TC or BPTC and this is before I begin my course. Although I had already researched the figures before and spoke to the tutors on open evening in regards to my worries about gaining a job after the LPC/BPTC.

    And to be honest Law is saturated now but in the next two years when there are less students coming out of GDL/BPTC?LPC the chances of getting a job is higher.
    Having contacts does not guarantee a job. Although it helps if you are able to network with people who can help with a TC/ PUPILLAGE and anyone on a GDL can do this.

    So if you put in the work in all areas involved... and you still don't succeed then... it must be something else. Can't blame it on the job market if others with the same qualifications got a job. There has got to be something for them to pick someone else and not you.

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  • "So if you put in the work in all areas involved... and you still don't succeed then... it must be something else."

    Yes it is, In addition to the current crop of LPC grads you are competing against a massive backlog which will persist into the foreseeable future.

    Most of the slave-labour that are paralegals working for peanuts are only doing so hoping they'll get TC's at some point in the future.

    In bad economic times, firms will play it safe, most likely recruit those with proven experience.

    Ergo any new students and grads are competing with this huge backlog of wannabe Solicitors and Barristers working as legal advisors, paralegals etc etc.

    The top firms can just recruit Oxbridge firsts and the rest scrabble around in this pit.

    New grads are likely to be competing with older grads, usually with the same (good) grades but with a year or two paralegal experience as well.

    Take that money you'll spend on the GDL and put it on the lottery, probably better odds of success there. Recently the amount of candidates chasing each TC doubled! Yes, it doubled.

    Paying to do the GDL now is sheer folly. Regardless of how good you think you are. You'd need a First class initial degree, a distinction in the GDL and a distinction in the LPC and a load of Vac scheme experience to even stand a chance of a paralegal job maybe leading to a TC.

    Just try getting all that. A GDL Distinction is hard, damned hard anyway, 2 students out of 70 on my course got Distinctions. LPC Distinctions are slightly easier to get but to get a double Distinction you’d have to be either fearfully bright or work 60 hour weeks without rest for 2 years.

    Do yourself a favour and do something else with that money.

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  • "I had already researched the figures before and spoke to the tutors on open evening in regards to my worries about gaining a job after the LPC/BPTC. "

    Yeah... like... you can REALLY trust the course providers to give unbiased realistic advice against their own best interests.

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