SJ Berwin was 'wrong' to ask summer student to do an all-nighter

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  • @ El Guiri: “And yes, plenty of people at law firms work all nighters regularly. There are many more excellent lawyers around the country who don't work beyond tea time. That does not make them less deserving of their salaries.”

    You're right - these 'home by tea time' lawyers fully deserve their salaries. It's just that their salaries are rightly much lower because they work half as hard and make half as much money for their employers.

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  • I would be highly surprised if she got the TC, to be honest.

    The firm is getting slated over this. Whilst the girl probably did not contact The Lawyer herself, the fact this story has ended up on here does call into question her discretion. And a lot can be said for discretion.

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  • Anonymous | 29-Jul-2011 11:56 am
    "Whilst the girl probably did not contact The Lawyer herself, the fact this story has ended up on here does call into question her discretion. And a lot can be said for discretion."
    We know nothing of the facts. She may have been perfectly happy to work an all nighter and the leak could have come from another vac schemer who didn't like the firm and wanted to cause trouble. They would all know she was in all night.
    Or maybe from a disgruntled fee earner at sjb. Heaven knows there appear to be enough of them.
    It may have nothing to do with her discretion.

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  • I can 100% confirm that she willingly did it. I can confirm her discretion is a great deal higher than the person who felt necessary to even bring that up. Someone brought this to the lawyer and people like you who make these comments, make it a lot more difficult on the girl, and the firm to make the decision. But well done. You got your comment posted.

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  • Story = storm in teacup. I've done a handful of all nighters in a lengthening career, you do them when you have to. Sometimes its probably as a result of macho nonsense, sometimes it is because clients have real deadlines by which things have to be done. I function fine staying up all night once in a while and when the chips are down, so would anyone. Its probably useful experience that vac students see its not 9-5. Most lawyers aren't rocket scientists providing real value added services, so they don't particulalry warrant high pay unless its a result of hard work. No one died here - either she hated it and cried (according to some) in which case tough go do something else either in or out of the profession, or she did it willingly (according to some) in which case what's the story?.....

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  • I think the problem is that it was only one all nighter.

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  • I work in Newcastle, can someone explain what an "all nighter" means?

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  • My apologies for my comment at 11:56, which was badly worded, insensitive and has been (understandably) misconstrued.

    As it appears now that the girl's application is still under consideration, I wish her nothing but the best in respect of the application and her career.

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  • I'm always amazed at the idea that "all-nighters" are something to crow about.

    If I was a client paying upwards of £400 p/h I certainly wouldn't want to be paying for some dozy lawyer who hadn't slept for 24 hours...

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  • I really don't understand what the big fuss is about. Almost every lawyer I know has pulled more all nighters than they can remember. Well done to SB for showing the student what life as a real lawyer is.

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