Pinsents – first firm to offshore work of qualified UK lawyers

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  • The Pinsents litigation assistant should be very careful about what he or she says. Pinsents have a very strict policy on talking to the press and the poster will be hung, drawn and quartered if he or she is found out. The thought police will be searching right now.
    A few years ago someone internally sent a somewhat irreverent picture of the then senior management team to either The Lawyer. He was found out and made to "write" (ie have drafted for him) a letter of apology that was sent to the whole firm couched in the most grovelling and humiliating terms. But you couldnt print it out or forward it so noone outside knew. It was a ridiculously over the top reaction to an admittedly silly joke.

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  • "But you couldnt print it out or forward it so noone outside knew." - so how did you know unless you're from Pinsents as well? If so, how have the litigation team taken the news.....which apparently appeared here first before management told staff?

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  • I was at Pinsents a few years ago when the incident in question happened. The latest rumour I heard about the litigators was pretty negative in terms of morale. I have heard plently of stories about internal strife in litigation since I left (particularly about Manchester).
    Some of the things that happened when I was there defied belief. The work was good, but some of the behaviour was, shall we say, unique in my experience.
    Oh, when I said "either The Lawyer" in my last post I meant to add "or the other legal tabloid" after that.

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  • Anonymous | 22-Jun-2009 6:13 pm your post stated that you found it amusing that not English meant not good quality - I do not think any malice was intended in this regard.

    The issue is not that it is not English it is the lack of personal relationships and communication. There is no way this can be to the same standard as it would be across the same office.

    It is hard enough to build internal relationships and ensure the way you work in Leeds is standardised and is also the way you work in London let alone trying to work in a standardised high quality manner from offshore. Inevitably it will lead to mistakes, lack of clarity, break downs of relationships and so on.

    Even if those lawyers off shore were English the same problems would arise.

    I was a legal secretary at Pinsent Masons back in 2007 when they started the outsource scheme, I spent a miserable 8 months filing! I am now a law student and I am becoming increasingly worried about future progression and the restriction on young lawyers' abilities to excel through experience!

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  • To the Pinsent Masons litigation assistant . You must of missed the in house magazine article about it...plus the whole section on the intranet about it ...plus the two emails???

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  • This is the problem with having a divided profession. I'm a litigator in the US but was once a UK solicitor. UK solicitors do work which, quite frankly, is done by paralegals and contract lawyers here in the US, while the attorneys concentrate on managing cases, taking depositions, drafting particulars and applications, arguing applications, and trying cases in court. 6 years to become nothing but a glorified paralegal, which explains why I fled to the US to do some real quality lawyering. As long as UK firms are content to have new and junior and even some senior lawyers do menial rote office work, then their jobs will be lost to outshoring.

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  • As Mr Burns would say:

    "Of course your jobs are safe! They'll just be done by other people!"

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  • Whilst most rational people will have sympathy with those who are saddened to see offshoring of work there are two sides to the story. The price of commercial legal work in England has been rising faster than the cost of living for decades as have partner incomes. Like housing prices this 'bubble' had ot burst. The real issue is the business model of the 'standard' law firm. It is inflexible and too costly. This recession, offshoring an LPOs should see changes to the basic operating model. Costs have to be driven down and not by the simple expedient of cutting wages - it is much more complex than that.

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