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  • For a barrister I find this article remarkably short sighted. It is someone's personal point of view. Interesting maybe.....but this issue is constitutioal in scope for the UK. It was not for Spain.....because its King is not the head of an established church. The Catholic Church is not part of the furniture of state in Spain. The Church of England is in the UK. Ultimately this is where the UK people need to be involved. You cannot have a Monarch who is both Head of State....and the Established Church......if they are not crownedand married according to the canons of the established church. If the church in question does not agree to equal marriage then how would a gay King be legally joined to his/her partner in the future. If the government want this innovation in the UK it will have to disassociate itself from the church and the reorganise the polity in order to secularise or dispose of the monarchy. Are we at this point in the UK? This issue is not one that any government can force through without a mandate from their manifesto. To do so is to set up a dictatorship. I am amazed by how STUPID so may 'supposedly 'bright' people have been on this issu. Why anyon would give the lady who wrote this article or any of the Lib Dems/Conservatives who drempt up this ridiculous proposal any time from now on escapes me. It is an exercise in wasting money at a time when the nation does not have money to waste.

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  • Hmmm, what about everyone in Scotland, N Ireland and Wales? Do they have to bow down to the Church of England? Not really as simple as you make it out to be is it Philip Dorling. Unless you are an English Tory-voting heterosexual member of the Church of England. Which not everyone is. Welcome to democracy.

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  • So the Government can't enact any policy that the Church of England might disagree with, Philip? I think you'll find that they have done so many times, including recently with public cuts (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/nov/19/archbishop-rowan-williams-welfare-reforms for just one example). Or look at recent Danish politics. Constitutional monarchies can most certainly do so, even if their head of state is also head of church. What a riduclous comment!

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  • Oh dear Philip, calling someone "STUPID" when they misquote facts themselves. I suggest that you check the 2010 Conservative Party manifesto, which made a clear commitment (the only party to do so) to enter into a consultation on same-sex marriage.

    As Anthony also points out, Denmark is worth considering and perhaps even more to the point Norway, which is both a constitutional monarchy, with the King as the Head of the established Church of Norway and (unlike Denmark) full gay marriage already in place. A gay monarch could certainly marry a same-sex partner and they would rule like any other heir to the throne and his consort. What is the constitutional crisis element to such an arrangement? It is not part of their job title to provide babies. We are likely to have a divorced monarch next in this country who did not marry in the Church.

    This is an excellent piece Anya and I'm sorry you have to deal with utterly uninformed personal nastiness rather than a discussion of the facts.

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