Magic circle split as Clifford Chance follows Freshfields on associate pay

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  • why is the lawyer just focussing on magic circle pay rises? what about the rest of the top 10/20? It makes for more interesting reading when you compare a larger group of firms....

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  • Are these pay rises annual or bi-annual and do they even outstrip inflation? What was the recent average bonus of a PQE 2, 3, ... associate and how realistic is it for a junior associate to expect a 20k "full bonus", and what does she have to do for it?

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  • Please reference the source of the data. It would be interesting to see the same for the Top 20 (I do get fed up with the narrow focus on magic circle) as well as above 3PQE.
    The salaries look surprising similar at these firms and I wonder if their rates and utilisation are also so uniform accross these grades!

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  • How unfortunate to see the scale of the bonus that may be paid. Not only is it coungter-intuitive it is not supported by empirical evidence. Research from the 1980s right up to teh present day clearly shows teh disruption that can occur when bonus payments make up such a significant portion of pay. Employees focus on those elements connected to bonus payments and client relationships suffer and employment stability falls. Just look at the banking sector to see what a mess can develop. This is not a wise move and it begs the question; why not use a good employment agreement and appraisal process to drive performance?

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  • The PQE model is bizarre. Why should salaries increase just because you've sat behind a desk for a year? More experience doesn't equate to being better. Salaries should only be on performance.

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  • are you being dumb, 9.51am? More experience does equate to being better. It might not increase your natural intuitive ability, but you certainly do things quicker and become more aware of the issues that your clients are facing and ways of dealing with them.

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  • A little perpective please. MPs salaries are currently £65738, frozen from 2010.

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  • please show me a meaningful selection of CC associates who have ever been paid a bonus of almost £25k before factoring this in total comp!

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  • Anonymous | 8-Jun-2011 9:51 am, what are you on about? Trainees start at CC with zero legal experience (hence the need to train). They then gain more experience over their years with the firm (that's why most trainees go there I imagine). Experience will generally make them better lawyers (do you seriously disagree with that?). Sure, there will be some divergence as to how quickly they improve (depending on their particular ability and experiences), but in general they will get better. This won't necessarily hold true for the entirety of their careers, but for those early years (and trainees probably only stay at CC for 4 - 6 yrs on average anyway), they will get better as their PQE increases. If they do not get better then they will be made to realise that CC is not for them. And if they do nothing but sit at their desk year after year then this will happen very quickly...

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  • "A little perpective please. MPs salaries are currently £65738, frozen from 2010."
    We're talking about people who actually work for a living, not tax-consumers.

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