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Lawyer 2B shows A-level students the way

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    "Seventeen-year-old Danielle Nash from St Charles Sixth Form College in West London said: “I was surprised to find out that you don’t need to study law to become a lawyer. It’s better because if you don’t actually want to study law you can study something that you enjoy and then get a really good grade.”"

    In other words you can study something easy, probably golf course management, to get a first or two one then take a pathetically easy conversion course (no doubt funded by a law firm that thinks having someone with a degree in knitting will show their diversity) and become a lawyer, overstepping people who studied law.

    And if you want to study something 'you enjoy' instead of law, hence suggesting you don't enjoy law, then why should you want to be a lawyer?

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  • Re Blatant Abuse

    Firstly, you show your ignorance by assuming that studying law at degree level in some way prepares you to become a lawyer. Comparing the academic study of law at degree level and practising law as a professional is like saying being able to write prepares you for a career as a journalist. Academic study and the practical professional experience are two totally different things.

    In addition even if you did Golf Course Management and then managed somehow to pass the CPE, trust me you will have earned your right to go on and study the LPC or BVC as its an horrendous exam, I should know I took it and I am now a solicitor.

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  • BlatantAbuse

    I found the academic study of law tedious, but thoroughly enjoy being a lawyer in practice. I know many who feel the same. With the benefit of hindsight, I would probably read modern languages or PPE and convert, though I'll grant that Knitting has it advantages...

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  • GDL v LLB

    I have to say that I agree with blantant abuse. Tis a tad ridiculous that somebody who wants to supposedly do law would rather do something more enjoyable first. I think anybosy who is actually committed to law would first of all do a law degree. And yes, although an academic law degree is not the same as practice, doing one is harder and more challenging that the GDL. I have an LL.B but I am currently doing land law on the GDL as I studied in N.Ireland and need the english land law as our law is too different. Quite honestly, the GDL does not come close to an LL.B. It lacks detail and is more a general synopsis than an in depth study. Anybody who really wants to do law, will do an LL.B at 18. To succeed at law, you need to be committed and dedicated, and I would kind of doubt how committed GDL types actually are. Seems they realize that that their classics, english degree can't actually get them anywhere, so decide to take shelter under law and bypass those who have done a law degree

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  • RE: Stuart

    And Stuart, are you seriously trying to make out that the GDL exmas are worse that than those for an LLB?????????????? Come on, you have far less to get onto the LPC than those with an LLB. I am sure you are an excellent solicitor, but the GDL is easy and would not have challenged you as much as an LLB.

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  • Choosing careers at 18

    Unfortunate comment by Danielle, but demonstrates the naivety of people at that age. What about the many people who don't know what they want to do for a career at age 18, and make the choice to become a lawyer later, after having done a more general degree? Does that mean they are a worse lawyer?

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  • GDL v LLB

    Valid as the arguments on here are, unless you have done both the GDL and LLB there will always be an element of snobbery and no one will ever be able to compare the two objectively.

    However as someone who did the GDL after qualifying in another profession (surveying) and am now a successful construction lawyer one could argue that 'other routes' into law create more rounded and commercial lawyers.

    Even if the GDL is supposedly an 'easier' route into law, Blatant Abuse's argument that I did 'an easy degree' and then a 'pathetically easy conversion course' is quite simply talking rubbish. Try working, raising a child and completing the GDL to Distinction standard - not easy by any means. Does the client or the senior partner ever ask if you have an LLB or GDL as long as you provide a top service - getting the law right is expected of ALL lawyers - it's what else you bring to the job that distinguishes the top lawyers.

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  • Now Oxbridge need to reach out

    Daniel Harris from Harrow College said: “I always thought that you had to go to Oxford or Cambridge to become a lawyer, but the law firms explained to us that you can go to a normal university and, as long as you do well, you can then go on to become a lawyer.”

    Based on Daniel Harris from Harrow's comment, it sounds like Oxford and Cambridge now need to reach out to show that they are "normal" universities. If these are gifted and talented state educated pupils - isn't this the demographic which Oxford and Cambridge are seeking to attract?

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  • Get real

    I went to Harrow College and did law there and went on to do a law degree. 6 years after leaving with decent A-levels (and 2 years after getting a 2:1), I still have no training contract. My advice to these kids is, get real.

    Going to Oxbridge it is an automatic route to a training contract and I can tell you how hard it is trying to get good grades when there are 30 people in you’re a-level law class – almost impossible. The recruiters shouldn't be telling people that they want a diverse socio-economic intake when there's no way of telling someone's background from the application form and really, they don't want it, they just have to say it.

    At the firm I work in now, there is not one trainee in my department who didn’t go to private school and I'm the only paralegal who went to a state school. Maybe someone should be telling them those facts to save them the bother.

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  • Re: previous posts

    What a lot of nonsense. I could not agree more with Danielle's comments - why study law for three years when it bears absolutely no resemblance to the work you'll do as a lawyer?

    If you are interested in a different area why not study that, simply to become better educated - after all, that is the purpose of a university education.

    I took the PGDL, so must declare an interest - but far from studying golf course management I studied biochmistry at a top 10 rusell group university. I spent many long hours researching, reporting, writing essays, attending lectures and seminars, carrying out my own research - all of which skills have stood me in very good stead as a commercial lawyer of 7 years PQE.

    Of course a degree in leisure and tourism won't ever compare to a more academic discipline - but no-one is claiming that. And HR teams are sophisticated enough to rank a 1st in whatever honours school from a 'new uni' in a very different category from a 2:2 from Oxbridge.
    And in applying for a training contract no-one oversteps another, because no-one is entitled to a job anywhere. If you're a good candidate from a good uni you'll get a TC, whatever subject you studied and whatever classification you achieved.

    Speaking as one now involved in recruitment and assessment of candidates for TCs, it is by and large the students with the PGDL who stand out, partly because they've been motivated enough to swim against the tide of their honours school, instead of simply plodding along the treadmill of law. HelloKitty - not sure it is fair to compare LLB and PGDL exams, after all PGDL is simply a crammer of the key elements. But remember that each entrant to the PGDL has already completed an undergraduate degree themselves, no less challenging and in many cases far more challenging than an LLB, so is no less qualified or equipped to take the LPC.

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