Richard Ridyard and Daniel Reilly, LLB students

In defence of the LLB

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  • "I feel that this blog reflects the opinion of the majority of undergraduates studying on the LLB."

    I can well believe that: given the current job climate, not surprised people wish there was less competition.

    "I personally feel that anyone person who decides to undertake the GLD either did not do as well in their chosen degree and feel that a legal profession conversion is an adequate substitute, or is not serious about any profession especially not one concerning law where the employment opportunities are dwindling."

    Ridiculous: most degrees are not vocational. If firms only wanted people who had already decided aged 17/18 that they wanted to be a lawyer then they'd be denying themselves access to a huge pool of talent. That would be a dumb move on their part.

    Plus speaking from experience, plenty of what you do on an LLB has nothing to do with the practical realities of being a solicitor. For instance, my knowledge of natural law does not play a significant role in negotiating points in a facility agreement.

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  • Why is it then that some of the greatest judges of England did not read jurisprudence? This ncludes the recently deceased Lord Bingham (Modern History); Lord Wilberforce (Greats); Lord Denning (Mathematics)

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  • you shouldn't stick to wiki to get your information, Denning studied until 1917 before doing his war service and then going back to magdelen, when he returned he completed his maths degree and worked as a teacher found it boring then studied jurisprudence.

    as for the others i cannot comment.

    for me i can see the point behind a GDL however in fairness to the writers they are rebutting a previous blog which has no evidence to back any assertions, plucks facts from the air and makes comments about why anyone in their right mind would study an LL.B and defending their own course.

    however none of the harsh people who have commented seem to have read this previous article, and decided to ignore any claims of evidence the writers have put forward.

    nice blog to read, nice to see lively debate amongst the new, and flourishing legal professionals.

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  • Well this article smacks of looking for someone to blame after failing to secure a training contract. Who are next, minorities and women because of diversity targets maybe?

    As a bit of advice for applications next year, if you want to secure a training contract you might want to consider a couple of things.

    Firstly making obvious grammar and spelling mistakes doesn't help, so try proof reading for a change.

    Secondly nobody likes arrogant people who think they are superior to everybody else. There are plenty of highly intelligent GDL students who can probably run rings round you, so start showing them some respect.

    As for the superiority of the LL.B the content has very little relevance to the practice of law and is rather an academic exercise. The GDL covers the areas that are actually necessary for progression with a legal career, so those coming to the table with a GDL are just as capable in practice as LL.B students. And as for the academics you speak of, who call the GDL substandard, they have a vested interest in protecting their positions so can't really be relied on for an objective opinion.

    With regards to dedication to the legal profession, all that studying an LL.B proves is that you knew what you wanted to do with your life at 17. Those who came to the idea of law a little later in life are not necessarily less dedicated just as those on an LL.B aren't necessarily all that dedicated. I know many LL.B students who are just plodding along towards the profession because of family pressures and many GDL students who are extremely dedicated. Just as there are many for whom the reverse is true.

    Finally in case you are wondering I studied an LL.B and am currently on the LPC.

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  • Gosh there are some really bitchy comments here. None addressing any of the evidence put forward by the authors. Instead making false assumptions and personal attacks.

    As Eldon Law Scholar points out, the authors have written this in response to another article which just slagged off the law degree without any evidence supporting their claims.

    I too can see the point of the GDL but must say that the authors have done a good job in highlighting some important points in this debate.

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  • I don't see anyone complaining that Jonathan Sumption QC didn't do an LLB.

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  • Jonathan, I do hope your remedial English classes are going well. Shocking inability!

    Jonathan Pugh | 27-Oct-2010 10:24 pm

    A well written article that identify s the issues that surrounded the GDL. It definitely shows that people should not be aloud to convert to law after doing a alternative degree first. As I could not do a degree in Management and then convert to a degree in medicine so why is it the same in law its not right! As a friend pointed out to me I might as well do a philosophy degree at Oxford what requires BBC then just convert to the GDL and still have a degree from one of the best university's in the world and still be able to become a lawyer by doing a GDL it just does not sound right to me that.

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