Freshfields becomes first UK firm to lift associate salary freeze

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  • Snorter, get back to work if you are going to justify that fat salary you're on

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  • Snorter, returning to your first point, it doesn't tally that, just because someone spends thousands of pounds on their training, they should be entitled to a certain return on that money.
    There are plenty of professionals who train just as hard and work just as many hours without feeling that entitlement. Some of them also save lives in the process.
    That is not to say that lawyers never earn their salary, just that the simple fact of qualifying as one shouldn't make them feel entitled to earn more than those in equally competitive professions.

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  • I can't really see the problem with NQ salaries in London. Compare someone who starts work around 19 years old. Nothing especially well paid, but by the time their lawyer equivalent starts a training contract at 24, they will have earned in excess of £100k, even if they averaged £20k. I have friends like this who make comments about how much lawyers earn, but they're on the property ladder, had a head start on the pension and are on £30-35k. I meanwhile started with £20k debt (would have been more but for family support), accommodation costs roughly double what they've ever paid, and work 50% longer hours than they do and earn £36k as a trainee. When (if!) I earn £60k as an NQ, it will still take me years of working to reach financial parity, and I have the added bonus of working harder, under more stressful conditions, while having to pay more to rent a flat half the size of their 3 bed houses in the home counties.

    By the time I'm in the same position as them, I'll be pushing my mid 30s. Of course you'd expect the lawyer to earn more in the long run, but they do work for it doing a job not every can, or would want, to do.

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  • Associate salaries had to rise, given that partner drawings had barely been touched by the credit crunch. Given how successful large English law firms have been in the past decade, and the extra demands made on associates hand-in-hand with diminishing prospects for partnership, associate salaries need to be weighted much more towards present-benefit. Indeed, in comparison to the difference between a Freshfields NQ / Freshfields partner vs a 'Sheds NQ in the Sticks / 'Sheds Sticks partner, it could be argued Freshfields associates are underpaid...

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  • Well said Nick. Roughly speaking, my 2000+ senior associate (6yr PQE) hrs at my MC firm got billed at £500+ last year. That gave the firm £1m+ of billings, which coincidentally is what the average MC partner draws. My package is £100K+. To bill those 2000+ hrs I of course worked 2500+ hours, making my hourly pay around £40 gross. I expect this is all pretty standard stuff for MC firms. On a related subject, the average price of a flat in Camden (to pick a London borough where quite a few lawyers in my situ live) is around £420K.

    So what are the equivalent numbers in the provinces chaps?

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  • Actually, I'm with Snorter. Overpaid is a subjective term. Law firms tend to employ ambitious, motivated, straight As students from good universities. I don't think lawyers are any better paid than ambitious, motivated, straight As students in other professions.
    And as for doctors, well, wasn't it the huge pay rises given to NHS consultants that helped Gordo blow the budget consistently over the last 15 years? The difference is that lawyers have at least now been given a pay cut to reflect the recessionary times.

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  • Snorter, I'm not sure that 'more highly qualified than most people' holds water... my brother-in-law is recently qualified at one of the large London firms and while he has learnt to recite law tomes by heart his wider education starts and ends with the collected works of John Grisham. University academics are highly qualified and in the UK (although not in other countries) earn peanuts.

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  • I do not understand how can people say that lawyers are overpaid. Most lawyers work more than 60 hours per week and quite often do 90 hours weeks. If you divide that per hour they are not "over paid" are they? The band system is only fair!

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  • Most of you are missing the point.
    Such lawyers are not "overpaid" because they work for people who can pay well. A partner working at a firm like Eversheds charges around 450 euros for each hour of working. In developed countries, above 60 % percent of people are paid less than 8 euros per hour.
    Don't complain about the salary of a lawyer working at an international law firm.
    Complain about the disparity.

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  • Anonymous | 26-Feb-2010 0:12 am: People choose to become academics in the UK largely as a lifestyle choice. Good ones do pretty well for themselves, once consulting and start-up interests are accounted for. As for your brother-in-law, if he didn't have to work 90 hour weeks at his big law firm then he'd have more time and mental energy left to spend on more worthy literature.

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