CC London litigation chief relocates to Moscow, finance co-head to Saudi

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  • Maybe Envy has no clue as to how to mount a solid defence? Ahhh... he needs to hire a lawyer! Which firm shall he sought advice from? Definitely not from CC!

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  • Hey all stop wondering where Envy has been? I will tell you but please keep it secret:
    He is thinking seriously to go back to the Military Hospital!
    But if he decides to do so, we should all wish success and happiness!

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  • Maybe he's seeking therapy for his delusions! Ohhh... I hope we don't have to wait too long for his reply! However, I hope it's worth the wait as he will be more insightful and hopefully, he will stop talking nonsense!

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  • As a Saudi associate who used to work previously.....What goes around, comes around.. ....like this beautiful comments....the Saudi associates are paid below market rate compare to other firms in riyadh (and jeddah, shame.....) .....is that how a No. 1 firm in saudi pays associates to stay "head and shoulders above the rest" says Envy....:)

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  • Envy has gone because you cannot rebut facts. All of the awards and PR spin that firms can generate cannot hide the fact that Al Jadaan is failing as a sustainable business as ahat has been shaped by Mohammed Al Jadaan himself.

    All of the talk from the past about developing associates and building a Saudi law firm to international standards has gone out the window as a result of excessive self-glorification at partner level and the sheer inability to forsake profitability to address deep-seated practice management issues. As the number of available expat associates dwindles, the problem becomes more exacerbated.

    Cemeteries the world over are full of the best and brightest lawyers of their generation; capable of highly original and creative thought. But they are all long since forgotten. The names that live on, through law firms, are those that were able to found a culture that others wanted to build on and keep alive. It may be premature, but I'm willing to bet that Al Jadaan won't see a second generation leadership, either organic or lateral.

    That is a great shame, especially given some of the talent that has come and gone from that firm, both local and expat.

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  • Could all the above comments made out of pure jealousy? It makes me wonder, based on the comments above, whether the "marriage" between Aljadaan and CC is really working or are they better off heading for splitsville?

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  • It depends on how you see it. CC needs a local firm in order to operate in Saudi. If CC does not maintain its partnership with Al-Jadaan, CC will have to find another local partner. The determining factors for CC should include, amongst others, its reputation, expanding its presence and capturing the Saudi market. However, it seems that the chicken has come home to roost. Obviously, expats and local associates who had left were extremely dissatisfied with how things were run and how they were treated. So, CC should ponder whether it is worth remaining in such a partnership while inadvertently allowing its reputation to suffer in the long term. Maybe Tim should scout for alternative partnership during his stint in Riyadh?

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  • Hey Anonymous | 11-May-2010 8:27 pm,

    The grass is always greener on the other side. What makes you think that the problem disappears once CC works with another local firm? For all you know, the problem is pervasive throughout the Kingdom. Haven't you heard this saying before that it's better to work with the devil you know than the devil you don't?!

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  • Given that there are three or four ex-CC/Aljadaaners currently adding value to A&O's Riyadh office, it seems the grass is considerably greener on at least one other side of the fence! I'm sure they're not the only firm to benefit from the quality candidates that CC recruits but Jadaan can't retain.

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  • The issue of CC finding another partner is irrelevant.

    CC is fully aware of the outrageously arrogant manner in which Al Jadaan treats its expat associates and does abosolutely nothing other than keep footing the bill for its share of the expensive recruitment and relocation costs that accrue each time Al Jadaan has to recruit to plug a gap.

    If the relocation of Tim Plews is supposed to be a sign that CC intends to start, finally, putting some pressure back on Al Jadaan then it should have comes 3 years ago after the A&O exodus on the finance side. The relocation of the current CC finance partner has been a failure, reports suggest that the said partner has become like the locals in his attitude towards the expat secondees.

    I would also love to know when CC will do something on the corporate side. Then again, maybe there is insufficient money and prestige at stake in corporate in Saudi Arabia for CC to do anything other than watch the revolving door.

    The list of firms in Saudi Arabia with ex-CC/Al Jadaan is growing. I guess that CC can no longer recruit on the basis that expats don't want to stay in the Kingdom and have to find some other excuse for people leaving Al Jadaan. I wonder what it is.

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